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Middleton family

Reference 191 is in the red, I cannot fix it. please repair if you are able to. Thank you 115.70.23.77 (talk) 01:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Add the journal in the parameter that's being mentioned. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:09, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I tried and failed - please assist and I am sorry, again. Thanks 115.70.23.77 (talk) 02:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Why couldn't you fix it? Did you click on the "help" link in the error message that took you to Help:CS1 errors#missing_periodical. The message is now gone since the problem has been fixed, but, for reference, the template {{cite journal}} (aka {{cite magazine}}) needs to have the name of the "journal" being cited included in the citation syntax so that the |journal= parameter isn't left incomplete, which is what caused the error: the software is searching for the name of the journal but can't find it. It looks like the title of the publication cited is "Publications of the Thoresby Society, Second Series, Vol. 24 (Miscellany), 2013" or more specfically written in the syntax for that particular template as |journal=Publications of the Thoresby Society, |series=Second, |volume=24 (Miscellany) and |year=2013. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry - references 198 and 200 are from the same source - I have failed trying to do the "doubling up" thing - can you please do this. I will go to bed now. Sorry. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 03:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:NAMEDREF thoroughly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@IP 115.70.23.77. You seem to regularly posting at the Help Desk asking questions like this and the one directly above this thread. Your account has also been off and on since 2019. While nobody is expecting to be an expert in all things Wikipedia, by now you should be fairly familair with the basics of how to cite sources and how to find information on your own when you run into problems citing sources. Assuming that you're the same person asking all of these questions, you might improve your understanding of how citations and other things Wikipedia work if you stopped using the Help Desk as a crutch and instead tried to figure these things out for yourself. There are several examples in the Middleton family article in which the same source is being cited multiple times. Looking at the source code for those citations should help you figure out what you need to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Tenryuu, Marchjuly: please be more tolerant. Different people have different skills. I can add two two-digit numbers in my head; some can't, and will never be able to. Some can recognise the interval between two musical pitches; I can't, and will never be able to. The OP has long shown that she cannot follow WP's instructions for giving valid citations, and I doubt she will ever be able to. Badgering her about it is not helpful. (She also has what seems to me an inexplicable interest in relatives by marriage of the UK royal family; but it's no less explicable than the intrerest in sportspeople shown by many WP contributors.) She is always polite and coherent in her requests. Maproom (talk) 06:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I feel I'm being sufficiently tolerant. For sure, there's a learning curve to Wikipedia and I'm perfectly happy to help those having difficulty much in the same way I was helped when I first started editing. At some point, though, the training wheels need to come off and no longer newbies need to stop being treated as such regardless of how polite and coherent their requests are. Anyway, your The OP has long shown that she cannot follow WP's instructions for giving valid citations, and I doubt she will ever be able to. pretty much describes the situation to a "T" so there's not really anything more that needs to be said. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:08, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

We pass featured articles with invalid references, several of our admins can't get the hang of referencing systems like sfn or harvp, so why not have a go at them? If you don't want to help, then don't help. Don't attack someone who asks for help. It just makes you look shoddy and mean. DuncanHill (talk) 08:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

DuncanHill, does any of the admins who can't get the hang of this or that referencing system repeatedly make the same requests for fixing their own botched attempts to use it? And in this thread I see no attacks by Marchjuly or anyone else. -- Hoary (talk) 08:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary: No, they don't come here to ask for help because they don't bother to check if their edits were correct, so they never realise how incompetent they are. DuncanHill (talk) 11:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom: I've been holding my tongue in regards to this user and associated IPs for over a few months, and this accomodation wasn't extended to another user indefinitely who used to bombard the help desk virtually every day with minor variations. Some other users have asked if there were ways to help her get her head around basic editing tasks or getting them written down, to which she hasn't replied to them personally. I fail to see how I've been badgering her when I've only made remarks directly to her in this now-merged thread. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I've now done the "doubling up" as requested. Maproom (talk) 06:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Marchjuly, on "the [question] directly above this thread": The two were about the same article, and identically titled. The editor showed no interest whatever in my earlier, polite (I think and hope) request not to give the same title to more than one message thread appearing on the same page, so eventually I gave up the attempt. Anyway, as the second thread here immediately followed the first, I removed its header; sorry for thereby making your message a bit harder to understand. -- Hoary (talk) 08:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

That's fine Hoary. I don't think it matters too much.-- Marchjuly (talk) 05:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Problem on publishing corrections

Hello :) I try to submit my draft after improving it, taking into account some comments from an editor, but when I press the publish button the following message appears "No stashed content found for 1219665912/544b45c1-06b0-11ef-890d-2fa6df159f4d". What must I do? Nicholas719 (talk) 07:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Erietta Kourkoulou-Latsi   Maproom (talk) 08:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

e/c Hello Nicholas719. Are you referring to Draft:Erietta Kourkoulou-Latsi? Unfortunately that message means that your edits have not been saved. You need to save (ie publish) your edits at regular intervals. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll try saving more often. Hope I'll not disturb the editors :) Nicholas719 (talk) 08:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I'd recommend periodically backing up your text in a word processor too, just to be on the safe side. Sorry you lost all your work. Qcne (talk) 08:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Will do that. Thank you! Nicholas719 (talk) 09:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Forgive my ignorance... While I can resume my edit" Draft:Erietta Kourkoulou-Latsi" and the corrections I've made seem to be all inserted, I still cannot publish the article for someone to evaluate it again. The message is the same (No stashed content found for 1219665912/544b45c1-06b0-11ef-890d-2fa6df159f4d). Should I create a new entry from scratch and ignore this one? Nicholas719 (talk) 07:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Nicholas719, you could try copying out your changes, then starting a new edit (without resuming the old one) on the same draft, then putting your changes back in. Rummskartoffel 14:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

How can I report this discussion?

Where can I report this discussion [place] to receive an answer? Can someone do it? 2A02:B021:8F01:8E96:BB22:B710:2F51:3193 (talk) 14:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. You've opened the Talk Page discussion, but it has only been a few minutes so please do be patient. We're all volunteers and it might be that no one who watches that Talk Page will reply for a few weeks. Qcne (talk) 15:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for the answer. I just wanted to ask if there is a project in which I can report the discussion, like in italian Wikipedia (I come from there). 2A02:B021:8F01:8E96:BB22:B710:2F51:3193 (talk) 15:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

If the question is, where in New Jersey did he die, probably Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey. TSventon (talk) 18:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

This seems to be related to an earlier Help Desk query at Wikipedia:Help_desk#Louis_Adamic. IP editor, the relevant Projects are at the top of Talk:Louis Adamic if you wish to alert other editors. Advice at WP:CANVASS. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

scope of family conflict

No, I am not about to write an article about my relative. But there is one in another language. Do I need to declare WP:COI if, where their name is already mentioned, I make an interlanguage link? —Tamfang (talk) 18:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

When in doubt, disclose. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Review for Draft:Llama.cpp

My article about Llama.cpp, a software library (not affiliated), was declined 22 days ago because the "submission is about a topic not yet shown to meet general notability guidelines." I since then added three separate articles that are about my topic in line with the general notability guidelines and the recommendation in Wikipedia:Multiple_sources that "it seems that challenges to notability are successfully rebuffed when there are three good in-depth references in reliable sources that are independent of each other." The three sources are from theregister, arstechnica and tomshardware (not including other primary sources). Would someone be able to take a look at the revised version? I would like to know if there is anything wrong with it this time because it seems the re-review process is long. 65.242.132.98 (talk) 18:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

This should be discussed on the draft's talk page; but I'll tell you right now, a little how-to squib on Tom's Hardware, (basically a blog) which is not about the subject but just mentions how to use the subject, is not going to meet our standards. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I will post this to the talk page. What is the general standard then for software? News sites don't generally cover them. For example the sources for Krita are almost all first hand sources from Krita.org and KDE as well as links to it's store page on eg. Google Play. It doesn't seem common for reliable news sites to explain what software products are and do, much less a software library like llama.cpp. How do you recommend I proceed with this article? To me, this software is very "obviously" notable because it has 55,000 stars on GitHub and probably millions of users. But I don't know how to prove that within Wikipedia's general guidelines. Also what do you think of the other two sources? Are they good enough? 65.242.132.98 (talk) 18:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Not all our articles meet our standards. Did you not notice that Krita has a tag at the top of the article warning, "This article relies excessively on references to primary sources"? --Orange Mike | Talk 19:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Notability (software), which has some good advice. Cullen328 (talk) 19:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, could my tomshardware article serve as one example of being "the subject of multiple printed third-party manuals, instruction books, or reliable reviews, written by independent authors and published by independent publishers?" If I find a few more of these tutorials, is that good? Also, I think Wikipedia:Notability (software) should be added to Category:Wikipedia_notability_guidelines which I looked at earlier but doesn't seem to have it linked

The article: https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/create-ai-chatbot-server-on-raspberry-pi 65.242.132.98 (talk) 19:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether or not Tomshardware.com is a reliable source, but I am certain that the article you cite does not contain significant coverage of LLama ColinFine (talk) 21:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Why is that? To me, that article "addresses the topic directly and in detail" because it tells you what the software is and how to use it. The whole article is about llama.cpp. 65.242.132.98 (talk) 22:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I added a source published in International Journal of Electronics and Telecommunications https://journals.pan.pl/Content/130704/18_4466_Walkowiak_L_sk.pdf . Does this help show the notability of the article? 65.242.132.98 (talk) 22:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Bruce Weber (photographer)

Reference help requested. I'm not clear on what the referencing error is. Can you clarify so I can correct? Thank you so much! It says it's a bare url Thanks, KATENEALE (talk) 22:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

KATENEALE, your edit was reversed by MrOllie so it does not need correcting. It is probably worth asking them to explain why they disagreed with your edits.

The problem was <ref>{{Cite web |url=https://film-forward.com/documentary/pop-culture/the-treasure-of-his-youth-the-photographs-of-paolo-di-paolo |access-date=2024-04-23 |website=film-forward.com}}</ref>, which needs more information as below. The error message is caused by the missing title, but the author and date should also be added.

|title=The Treasure of His Youth: The Photographs of Paolo Di Paolo |last=Ely |first=Caroline |date=2022

TSventon (talk) 22:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! KATENEALE (talk) 00:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

WHy does the NY Times wikipedia page...

WHy does the NY Times wikipedia page say it is 2nd to the Wall Street Journal circulation when the WSJ wikipedia page says that the WSJ is 2nd to the NY Times? Completely contradictory. 98.115.218.186 (talk) 23:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Edited at different times most likely, when each was true; I'll take a look and see if it can be resolved. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

This is where the phrase "as of (month, year)..." comes in handy. Mjroots (talk) 14:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC)