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Did you know nomination[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Schwede66 talk 17:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- ... that Source: Boris Yeltsin came into power on July 10, 1991?
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Created by 342rfawrfarefarwf (talk). Self-nominated at 18:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Soviet Union; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Unfortunately the article is not eligible for DYK as it is not newly-created, it was not expanded at least five times, and it wasn't promoted to Good Article status within the last seven days. In addition, no hook has actually been proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 18:33, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Why are the leaders called "main leader"[edit]
Aren't they supposed to be called "Premier" of "Chairman" W1k1Us3r.0924 (talk) 09:15, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Because the main leaders had various titles. Lenin was Premier, Stalin was General Secretary, etc.--Jack Upland (talk) 04:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
intro should highlight downfall of the soviet union[edit]
like for real; gorbachev sought to implement economic reforms. ok. but why? why is it not mentioned that the soviet economy at that point was in the gutter? And in the alinea after that it is stated that the soviet union was until its dissolution one of the scientifc advanced countries in the world? While they were a snail racing behind the horse that is science in the usa? That should be mentioned too in my opinion, an article about imperial germany should not read 'the imperial rulers always enjoyed support from the populance' cuz they did not, why does the intro highlight the economy and the science in the SU as something good while it stagnated during brezhnev or before that? 2001:1C01:35C4:6900:B4A2:8C5E:9B76:6847 (talk) 23:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia content is based on what reliable sources say, not your personal perspective. Can you provide some such sources for your views? HiLo48 (talk) 23:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
On the infobox's symbols.[edit]
You know how the RSFSR's Wikipedia page has both the 1st and last symbols from the RSFSR? Why not do that for the USSR? I mean, it had 5 flag changes, which is beyond too much, why not have both the 1922-1923 flag/coat of arms, and the 1955-1991 flag/coat of arms? 342rfawrfarefarwf (talk) 19:00, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not a bad idea.--Jack Upland (talk) 04:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Invasion of Poland[edit]
need to mention why the SU made a pact with nazi Germany. It was in order to split Poland and get revenge for the last Polish Russian conflict in early 1920. Blaki974 (talk) 11:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- That's debatable.--Jack Upland (talk) 04:37, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- I know that this talk is old and that I don’t have the full context of the conversation, but how is it debatable? Isn’t it an objective fact that the USSR made a pact with Nazi Germany to divide and get revenge on Poland after the USSR lost territory to the Polish at the Peace of Riga? LordOfWalruses (talk) 00:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is post hoc ergo propter hoc. If you're saying that some event in 1920 directly caused some event in 1939, the burden of proof is on you. Bruce leverett (talk) 02:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- I know that this talk is old and that I don’t have the full context of the conversation, but how is it debatable? Isn’t it an objective fact that the USSR made a pact with Nazi Germany to divide and get revenge on Poland after the USSR lost territory to the Polish at the Peace of Riga? LordOfWalruses (talk) 00:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2024[edit]
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Second-to-last paragraph of lead section:
"In the mid-1980s, the last Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, sought to reform the country through his policies of glasnost and perestroika."
If people disagree that's fine, but I suggest the change of "In the mid-1980s" to "From 1985", as that was when Gorbachev became the leader of the USSR. Thank you! 2A02:C7E:3188:4C00:5410:DC5F:EA4B:FD94 (talk) 22:07, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done.--Jack Upland (talk) 03:37, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2024[edit]
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I want to add a section of the pros and cons of the soviet union. Longlivethesovietunion (talk) 14:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. - FlightTime (open channel) 14:34, 3 May 2024 (UTC) - There is already a section titled "Legacy". Do you have material that would be suitable to add to it? Bruce leverett (talk) 15:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Statistics should be from the pre-Gorbachev eras (if possible)[edit]
When Gorbachev ran the country in the late 80s to early 90s, his reforms dramatically changed the country to a state that was totally unrecognizable from the rest of Soviet history; the USSR was a dirt-poor country throughout most of its history, and only including figures from the (at least humanitarian) peak of its history gives readers a very skewed perspective of what the Soviet Union was like during most of its existence. I know that this is probably because we don’t have many (if any) reliable statistics of the USSR, but we should try to find information that’s more accurate to Soviet history as a whole (or at least make a footnote denoting the improved state of the USSR at the time of the data collection). LordOfWalruses (talk) 00:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have not read your source (the article "Poverty and wealth"), but your claim that the state of the USSR was "improved" at the time of the data collection contradicts the claim in the source's Abstract that "Gorbachev's attempts at economic reform led to implosion and food shortages."
- But in any case, whatever sources you find, don't hesitate to cite them in the article, if they are reliable. Bruce leverett (talk) 02:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2024[edit]
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I want to make some changes to allow a more positive outlook for people visiting the page. Coolperson45 (talk) 10:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 11:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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