Talk:Mantilla

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It makes no sense for the second, and only photographic/contemporary image of a mantilla to show a woman not wearing one.

I reversed the changes made with this edit. The story isn't cited anyway. Archbishop Bugnini was a mere peritus at the Council (to everybody's shock, not least his own). He could have been voicing opinions but we don't know. Mantillas do not get mentioned in his hostory of the reforms.--Stroika 02:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The 1983 Code of Canon Law abrogates the 1917 Code.

Can. 6 §1. When this Code takes force, the following are abrogated:

1/ the Code of Canon Law promulgated in 1917;

But I didn't check where in the old Code there is a canon about women wearing mantillas.

Also I have never heard of apostolic orders which makes a law binding for all generations. The New Testament is not a book of law. Any sources for that, please? thanks -- madders

This wasn't abrogated, "Canon 20 A later law abrogates or derogates from an earlier law, if it expressly so states, or if it is directly contrary to that law, or if it integrally reorders the whole subject matter of the earlier law. A universal law, however, does not derogate from a particular or from a special law, unless the law expressly provides otherwise.

Canon 21 In doubt, the revocation of a previous law is not presumed; rather, later laws are to be related to earlier ones and, as far as possible, harmonized with them." Since it was not discussed it can be assumed that it is still in effect —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.230.236.161 (talk) 17:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mantilla[edit]

The Atlanta Journal published an article on Saturday, June 21, 1969 entitled: Women Required to Cover Head, Vatican Insists--VATICAN CITY (UPI) The article essentially stated (paraphrased) that there was no change, as reported, in the Roman Catholic rule that women cover their head in church.

Furthermore, the article goes on to quote The Rev. Annibale Bugini, Secretary of the New Congregation for Divine Worship as saying that there had been a misunderstanding of a statement during a news conference in the previous month of May.

In this article, The Rev. Annibale Bugini, Secretary of the New Congregation for Divine Worship, was quite clear in his statement that the rule had not changed and also stated that women covering their heads is general discipline. He further referred to the time of St. Paul and how it is incorporated into canon law. This article, in its entirety, may still be ordered from the Atlanta-Journal Constitution's archives at their web site, [1].

The Roman Catholic Church has never told women to stop covering their heads.

There have been a number of other changes within the Church and they are always announced quite clearly from Rome and, in turn, from our bishops.

Think about it. Does it make sense that a 2,000 year-old law would be dropped for no reason? The new canon law was to simplify and condense the bulky old one. It did not abrogate it.

Why do women wear veils to Tridentine Mass (Latin)? Is it not our same Lord made present in the Blessed Sacrament during the Novus Ordo Mass (Pro Populo)? That would not make sense to wear a veil to one type of Mass and not the other. Mary

The mantilla is exclusive from Spain

History[edit]

According to some historians, the origin of the mantilla to the time of the Iberians, and have discovered that women with pre-Roman figures touched very similar.

I do not know why the claim that mantilla comes from Al-Andalus is unsubstantiated. The word mantilla probably comes from mandil which is the Arabic word for hair cover. This connection is made in Abulafa's work (2012, pp. 264-265) and therefore has some weight to it. In particular, he refers to the mandil. The claim that it comes from America is not substantiated by similar claims and there is no etymological connection to back it up. This is a very controversial issue in Europe and should be studied in detail.

Note[edit]

in Spain (south) also used without peineta or comb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.165.51.89 (talk) 08:21, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

The usual pronunciations of "mantilla" in Spanish and in English would be useful in the lead.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 16:56, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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